Back/Forth is a section for arguments with my friends regarding an issue, and how we come to a conclusion, or close to it. These are copy-pasted from Skype, excuse the spelling and grammar.
Question: When Adam and Eve were created, they were created as amoral beings. Then they ate the fruit
from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and it is only after they
ate the fruit that God said, 'Behold, the man is become as one of us, to
know good and evil,' (Genesis 3:22a). So even if God forbade them to
eat the fruit because they will 'die', they didn't understand
consequences yet, did they? So why would God punish Adam and Eve
eternally when they didn't even understand what they were doing?
Lets get to it:
Anonymous: they chose to go
against what they knew. thats my answer to the adam and eve question
Jasmine: the question is
WHAT they knew. you cant make the right decision without knowing the full
spectrum of the outcome of that decision
Anonymous: you could make a
decision based on what you know, what you're told
Jasmine: the reason you do anything is because you think about whats gonna happen, thats why, like, white kids keep doing bad things coz their parents dont punish them, asian kids dont because we get some ass whooping. you dont kill because if you do you'll go to prison. you dont fail a class because if you do you might not get a good job, you dont run away from home because then youd die on the streets, you think about the effect but adam and eve didnt know the effect. knowing whats wrong isnt the same as knowing what will happen if you do something wrong
Anonymous: wait2, lets go
back to what you just said, the reason you do anything is because you think
about whats going to happen, right? So the basic assumptions are u always
choose based on the outcomes? correct? right?
Jasmine: yes
Anonymous: so you're
assuming adam and eve chose to disobey because the outcome was being more like
God in the sense that they'll know right from wrong?
Jasmine: eve wanted to be
wise, i dont know if adam actually knew what the fruit was
Anonymous: but they knew the
consequences; that they would die if they ate from the tree. she wanted to be
wise... but die at the same time? but at the same time by trying to be wise we
became foolish
Jasmine: but do they know what die means? do they know what death is though
Jasmine: but do they know what die means? do they know what death is though
Anonymous: u see, thats a
question that i dont know, but im assuming they did, point is they had the
chance to be obedient and they were given the "freedom" to choose; trust
God or this snake
Jasmine: God didnt say anything about the snake though
Jasmine: God didnt say anything about the snake though
Anonymous: yeah, but he said
something about the fruit which contradicted what God said. its more like,
"dont join a gang"
Jasmine: but i know why not.
i can get raped in a gang, get killed in a gang
Anonymous: cause you'll get yourself killed
Anonymous: cause you'll get yourself killed
Jasmine: i know what death
is, i know how death will affect my family, i know what pain is and that if i
get killed it’ll be painful for me
Anonymous: so your
assumption is that they didn’t know death?
Jasmine: my assumption is
that they couldnt comprehend death the way we can. knowing is different than
understanding
Anonymous: but do they know what death is?
Jasmine: just because youre told something, doesn't mean you understand it completely
Anonymous: but do they know what death is?
Jasmine: just because youre told something, doesn't mean you understand it completely
Anonymous: thats true. actually
i get your question. they dont know death, nor understand it, so why be afraid
of it?
Jasmine: yep, still confusing :/
Jasmine: yep, still confusing :/
Anonymous: “Some people have
brought up the objection that if there was no death existing in the world, then
how did Adam know what God meant in Genesis 2:17.
God, the author of language, programmed Adam with language when He created him, as they conversed right from the start on Day 6 (see Genesis 2). Since God makes things perfectly, Adam knew what death meant—even if he did not have experiential knowledge of it. In fact, he probably understood it better than any of us because he had a perfect mind, uncorrupted by sin and the Curse.”
God, the author of language, programmed Adam with language when He created him, as they conversed right from the start on Day 6 (see Genesis 2). Since God makes things perfectly, Adam knew what death meant—even if he did not have experiential knowledge of it. In fact, he probably understood it better than any of us because he had a perfect mind, uncorrupted by sin and the Curse.”
i
took this from a website. their definition of perfect and our definition of
perfect (or yours) is different
Jasmine: hmm
Jasmine: hmm
Anonymous: im saying they
never felt it first hand but understood the concept better than we do
hmm.....interesting discussion....did they die after they committed sin??
ReplyDeletethey didn't die, but death entered the world. adam and eve were banished from the garden of eden and sin became hereditary. it's known as the fall of man.
DeleteSo, if they didn't die that means the God of BIBLE lied, cos God says to Adam and eve if you eat from the fruit you will die but they didn't die.
ReplyDeleteA question, do you believe in the God of BIBLE?
i do, but i think God didn't mean physical death but a spiritual death. also, death originally wasn't part of the human body so adam and eve didn't die the exact moment they ate the fruit but they became mortal. they died later on of old age.
DeleteWhether Adam and Eve knew what death was or the consequences of eating from the tree of good and evil was in my opinion irrelevant to answering the question of whether they knew and was aware of what they were doing or not. I believe man and woman knew of two plus one things before they committed the act of high treason. First, they fully understood obedience. Second, they fully understood that God was of higher status and that they had to obey God. Third, is that I personally believe that man had a sense of righteousness and unrighteousness. They knew not of good and evil but they knew what they were allowed to do (righteous acts and unrighteous acts). I have no way of confirming the third point, it is just what I personally believe in. Man knew it was an unrighteous act of obedience to a higher power if he ate the fruit, and yet he did eat. Did they understand the consequences? Maybe not. Did they understand they shouldn't have done what they did? I believe so. To say that they didn't know of what they were doing would be technically wrong, so in my opinion the consequence for obedience was fair.
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